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Brick City Site & Forum Rules
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NEW MEMBERS
New Member Introductions
-=ALL MEMBERS; Especially New Member Introductions=-
Welcome to Brick City's Freestyle Online.  It's important to understand the rules and to grasp the basic concepts of the website, so take the time to read this information; otherwise, your posts will be deleted if they are not formatted correctly.  We're not here to baby-sit people; and if you have taken the time to sign up, then surely you can take the time to understand the fundamentals of the site.  Most importantly, have some fun.  When you register an account, these guidelines are evident; however, few take to time to actually read, apply, or abide by the rules.  Let me re-enlighten you.

It’s important to pay attention and respect members, admins, moderators, and each other.   Remember this simple fact.  This site is hosted by the administrators, paid for by the administrators, maintained by the administrators, and is in operation and privileged by the administrators.  Moderators are equally important and dedicated to the success of this website.  Most importantly, members are what drive the site; membership is Brick City… have fun and respect each other!

1.      Members will not in any way deface Brick City.

2.      Member opinion is important; however, any member who personally assaults any administrator, moderator, or member will be penalized temporarily and/or permanently, period.  Racial comments are prohibited.

3.      Member posts will be deleted if wrongly out of place, period.

4.      Members who do not agree with these rules and do not respect them, see rule 2. 

5.      Brick City is “All – 4 – Fun,” anything outside these lines will be immediately up for review and/or deletion. 

6.      Brick City is operational due to the dedication of many individuals; therefore, it is a privilege to be a member and have these services provided free.  Each administrator and moderator will be treated equally.  Members, who do not respect this privilege, see rule 2. 

7.      If concerns, problems, or any abuse arise, it is the administrators' and/or moderators’ job to resolve the issue, not the member; unless the problem can be solved in a non-personal/non-discriminatory fashion that doesn't affect the site. 

8.      There are appropriate ways to contact administrators or moderators if you have any concerns, suggestions, or questions you would like to voice; not in the freestyle forums.  The forums are clearly labeled and provide rules that explain how to post, where to post, etc…

10.  Newly registered members cannot call out advanced users; they can only battle new members unless an advanced member requests to battle you as a newbie.

11.  You can become an advanced member and post in the advanced member forums once you reach Junior Varsity Freestyle Poster status.

12.  To find members to battle or to create a battle, post a request in the New Member Battle Requests forum.  The guidelines are clearly explained in this forum.

13.  Once the battle rules are accepted by the challenged member, then you post the accepted battle in the New Member Freestyle Battle / Accepted Requests.  Once again, the format for setting up accepted challenges is posted in this forum.

14.  Battles will not count on your ranking until you become an ADVANCED MEMBER.  Advanced Member Battles are based on a point system formula; therefore, battle records and points are kept throughout each quarter.  To get points, obviously, you need to win battles.  Each quarter of the year, every member begins with an equal score.  To see the rankings, visit www.brickcity.net/rankings.asp

15.  Brick City members who do not wish to battle should feel free to post in other forums throughout the site they have access to such as the Poetry Section forum and the General Messages forum.  New members have view-access to all non-administrative forums, but can only post in the new members section of the site.

16.  If you have any questions or problems, contact the administrators, moderators, ask other members, or post in the Questions? Answers! forum.  Basically you follow the rules at the top of each forum.  One can easily grasp the posting concepts by following those posts previously created.

17. Advertising for another website is prohibited on BrickCity.net.

18. Stealing lyrics, music, or any copywritten material from BC or anywhere on the Internet is subject to temp and/or perm ban, reset records, rank, and post counts.... no exceptions!
 

The 3 site administrators consist of the following:

ú          rgilbert

ú          P.H.

ú          P.T.

 

<- Welcome to Brick City ->

 
New Member Battles
-=New Member Battle Requests - How to request a battle=-
  • To request a battle or to call someone out to battle that is also a new member, you post a message in the New Member Battle Requests forum.
  • If you set up a battle yourself, clearly label the topic.
  • Before setting the battle up in the Accepted Requests, both battling members must establish and agree upon the rules of the battle which should be included in your call out post in this forum; there are no exceptions to this whatsoever.
  • Once the rules have been established and agreed upon, post in the New Member Freestyle Battle / Accepted Requests forum.
  • Clearly label the new topic; you vs. your opponent.  For example, nukedogg vs. cizzal
  • Specify the agreed upon line perimeter (i.e., 16 lines)
  • Specify voting credentials; how many votes are you looking for; consider the following:
     
     
    • 5 Votes (First 5)
    • Set specific rules.  I.e., 3 votes to 0 = skunk
    • Can’t vote on yourself
    • No team member votes are accepted.
    • Set the time limit
    • Members must have at least 15 votes to vote
    • At least one admin/moderator/legend/500+ member vote

This type of format should be presented in this forum as well as re-posted in the accepted forum, so that voters, admins, etc., know what the battle consists of, how to vote, when to post, etc... so post your battle request information in both forums as the example shows below.
 

Here’s an example of a format similar to what you should use:
 

Subject:  Nukedogg vs. Cizzal

Message:

ú          10-15 lines

ú          15 posts to vote

ú          You spit first

ú          I wont flip

ú          First to 5 votes 3-0 skunk

ú          1 hour to post

ú          No hate/team votes

Voting
 

  • To vote on new member battles, you must have at least 15 posts. So members who are eligible, vote who you think the winner of the battle is by replying to the battle. 
  • Clearly post who you think won and a brief description of why you think they won.
  • Criticism is important; however, minimize the negative feedback and do not disrespect the members battling, voting, or your opponent.
  • Only one post is necessary for your vote and to provide your feedback; multiple posts will be deleted.
  • Multiple posting is known as spamming to increase your post count.  If you are found spamming, your post count and member status will be reset.
  • There should be 1 post for the accepted rules and 2 freestyle posts, one by each contestant.
  • The posts after that will consist of the number of votes according to your rules.
  • Any extra posts will be deleted.
  • Once the battle has concluded, any posts out of place thereafter will be deleted. 
       

Rankings - NEW MEMBER BATTLES ARE UNRANKED!
 

New member battles do not count on your ranking.
   

  • New members have the ability to join the list of ranks by winning battles and advancing their title status to Junior Varsity Poster which gives you the ability to post in the advanced member forums.
  • New member battles are to establish an understanding of how battles work, so that when you do make it to the advanced forums you understand how battles work.
  • If you lose your first 5 battles before ever winning in the advanced forums, your post count, record, and rank will be reset and you will have to once again advance through the new member system.
     

Once you advance to the advanced member forums, ranked people will battle other members giving them a chance to lose/gain ranks.  Also, monthly, we’ll post these rankings as well as wins and losses; giving members an inspiration to battle and/or improve their record and gain ranking. Therefore, ranked members cannot sit on their rank.  Once you move up on the ranking list and gain higher member status through post ranks, you can battle more advanced users.   Then, for example, if someone believes that a number one or two ranked person is not worthy, then these people will get a chance to prove that.  However, battles will be setup realistically; twenty people can try to knock off #1, #2, etc...  For obvious reasons, there will be a limited number of battles that can be requested. 
 

There is a new forum, New Members Battle Requests, so that new members that want to request a battle can post their requests.  If other members do not want to battle, do not hassle them.  If you don't want to battle, continue using the other aspects of the site as mentioned previously. 
 
These rankings will not be word of mouth or opinion; they’re based on results from past tournaments, progressing freestylers, and member wins and losses. The mindset is that the ranking system will get more members to advance and moderators and administrators involved which provides motivation to post, vote, and fend for your ranking position.
  
If administrators/moderators find that members are losing excessively and are not fit/ready for advanced forums, your post count will be reset, so that you have to battle in the newbie forums to get better.
  
If any of your lyrics are stolen, re-used/recycled, or copyright and found on BC from anywhere on the Internet, you will be banned from Brick City, your post count will be reset, and your record and rank will be reset.

 
New Member Accepted Battle Requests
-=New Member Accepted Battle Requests - How to Setup Accepted Battles=-

Remember the following from the previous battle request format; follow this format at all times!

  • Once the rules have been established and agreed upon, post in here New Member Freestyle Battle / Accepted Requests forum
  • Clearly label the new topic; you vs. your opponent.  For example, nukedogg vs. cizzal
  • Specify the agreed upon line perimeter (i.e., 16 lines)
  • Specify voting credentials; how many votes are you looking for; consider the following:
     
    • 5 Votes (First 5)
    • At least one admin/moderator/legend/500+ member vote
    • Set specific rules.  I.e., 3 votes to 0 = skunk
    • Can’t vote on yourself
    • No team member votes are accepted
    • No hate votes (can’t vote against someone because you don’t like them).

§         Set the time limit (i.e., 16-32 lines)

    • Set any other rules when necessary
    • Members must have at least 15 votes to vote

Here’s an example of a format similar to what you should use:
 

Subject:  Nukedogg vs. Cizzal

Message:

ú          10-15 lines

ú          100 posts to vote

ú          You spit first

ú          I wont flip

ú          First to 5 votes 3-0 skunk

ú          1 hour to post

ú          No hate/team votes

 

<~ PLEASE REMEMBER ~>

 

= - New Member Battle Forum Rules- =

  • This is the battle forum, not a message board.
  • If we see any messages or “Chat room threads” they will be removed, and the person who started the thread will be warned the first time.
  • If it continues to happen the member will be removed.
  • We do this because when we do rankings, we have to tally up all the battles' votes. 
  • If the forum is flooded with posts other then votes, it takes a great deal of time to tally. If we suffer then the site suffers; therefore, to avoid suffer altogether, you have to abide by the rules.  

= - Forum Flooding/Spamming - =

Do not flood/spam forums, period.

  • We have said something to the members that were doing it but we will now make it public.  Example name ~> "Shezzy" responds to posts written months ago, trying to build up their ranking posts.
  • Doing this will not gain you respect and get you into the advanced forums because your posts will be deleted.
  • Basically, you would just be wasting your time, our time, and the site’s time altogether.
  • For reasons of flooding and increased membership, we have decided to create the new member forums.
  • All the newer posts were getting bumped down because some asshole wants to build up their ranking or members didn’t understand where to post.  This will no longer happen, we’ll administer this accordingly.
  • If we find flooding is still a problem, we will temporarily suspend the account and limit the amount of times you’re allowed to post daily.
     

= - Multiple fake alter egos - =

  • Okay there is no rule against that but don’t you think it’s pretty pathetic that you have to make up to 10 fake names.
  • If you are a banned member and we find out, we’ll just ban you again.  You’ll just be wasting everyone’s time.
  • Now with the new forums it’s pointless to do this; hence, you won’t be able to call out advanced members or post in other non-new member forums as a new member.    
     

= - Voting - =

  • Some of you people take these battles a bit too seriously and you complain, or try to persuade members to vote on you through bitching, hate votes, sorrow, votes in exchange, etc... 
  • Starting NOW if we hear any complaints about a member calling out or partaking in these vote persuasions to another member, they will be banned for all future battles. 
  • This goes to everyone no matter who you are.  This applies throughout so it’s not just with newbies. 
  • Legends, vets, and whoever else are included.  NEW MINIMUM FOR NEW MEMBERS TO VOTE IN THE NEW MEMBER FORUMS... 15 posts to vote NO LOWER.
  • Any post counts greater than 15 can vote, but the minimum is 15 posts to vote as a new member, no questions asked.

  
As we’ve said before, the rules are fairly clear and if you don’t get them you can always use an example.  Here is a good example of how a battle should be formatted.  NO bullshit, just free's then votes:

http://www.brickcity.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6357& KW=dtyree

 
ALL MEMBERS
Questions and Answers
-=Questions and Answers; Frequently Asked Questions are found here=-

§         Only post questions here. 

§         All other posts will be deleted.

§         If we find that you are posting non-question items or commenting to increasing your post count, your account settings will be reset.

§         In this forum there should be NONE of the following: Battle requests, Battle links for votes, spammers to name a few.

§         All other site and forum rules apply here.

§         Voice any questions or concerns to admins, mods, or other members using this forum.

  • This forum is strictly to ask questions and to get answers.
 
General Message Rules
-=General Messages - What to post and NOT post in general discussions=-
  • DO NOT USE THIS FORUM TO REQUEST BATTLE VOTES
  • DO NOT USE THIS FORUM TO REQUEST BATTLES, CHALLENGES, ETC…
  • DO NOT post freestyles in this forum.
  • DO NOT ask technical/site related questions in this forum.
  • DO NOT post porn or explicit material in this forum.
  • DO NOT post multiple times/spam/flood/abuse this forum to boost your post counts.
  • Use this forum to communicate openly with other members.
  • Use this to post anything that does not fall in the category of the other forums.
  • Provide general feedback or discussions in the forum.
  • Talk about music, sports, women, news, or anything you want in this forum.
 
Poetry Rules
-=Poetry - What to post in this forum:=-
  • DO NOT POST DISSES OR REGULAR FREESTYLES IN THIS FORUM
  • DO NOT POST GENERAL QUESTIONS, REQUESTS, OR ANYTHING NON-POETIC IN THIS FORUM
  • DO NOT SPAM OR FLOOD THIS FORUM
  • All rules which apply for the rest of BC apply in this section, too.
  • Smart ass remarks will be deleted.
  • Degrading remarks will be deleted.
  • Also, remember poetry is an expression from the heart, real life, and personal expressions.
  • People express this in different ways... so keep a open mind when posting on poetry.
 
Photo Rules
-=Photo Gallery; What Photographic material is appropriate in this forum?=-

1.       We want to make it clear…. sexually explicit material will get you temp banned from accessing this forum and is subject to permanent banning.

2.       Lame ass spammers, and guys posting just to beef up there post count will have their post count reset.

3.       Racial photos are prohibited

4.       Any explicit material including sexual, violent, or derogatory viewing is prohibited.

5.       DO NOT post anything non-photographic in this forum

6.       You can post avatars, banners, pictures, drawings, photos, graphics, and all other logos in this forum freely as long as they apply to the rules above.

7.       All other forum rules apply here…

8.       Any questions, comments, or conerns about photos or anything else on this site SHOULD NOT BE POSTED IN THIS FORUM.

 
ADVANCED MEMBERS
Freestyle Off the Top Rules
-=Freestyle Off the Top - Should be realistic NON-Prewritten posts only!=-

DO NOT POST:

 

  • Battle Requests, Questions, or DISSES IN THIS FORUM
  • DO NOT SPAM THIS FORUM

 

DO POST:

 

  • ONLY post real, off the top/off the dome freestyles in this forum.
  • All other BC Rules apply to this forum.
 
Collaborate Freestyle Rules
-=Collaborated Freestyle/Poetry/Writing - What's this forum for?=-
  • You should only post freestyles/poetries/and all other written material that is done by more than one person.
  • Collaborations often include Freestyles of more than two people.
  • Freestyles by multiple people on AIM, VisuBox, MSN, E-MAIL, etc…
  • Continuations often include, battle the person above you, freestyles that continue by more than two people… all freestyles, battles, and posts including three or more people or teams should be posted in here.
 
Advanced Member Battle Requests
-=Advanced Member Battle Requests - How to format and make battle requests=-
  • Battles are requested and/or administered accordingly Battle Requests forum
  • If you set up a battle yourself, clearly label the topic you vs. opponent (e.g., nukedogg vs. cizzal) in Accepted Challenges forum
  • Specify a line perimeter (no more, no less)
  • Specify voting credentials
  • 5 Member votes (First 5)
  • Set specific rules.  I.e., 3 votes to 0 = skunk
  • Can’t vote on yourself
  • No team member votes are accepted.
  • Set the time limit

So members who are eligable, vote who you think the winner of the battle is by replying to the battle.

Since members and administrators cannot agree on rankings, this new system has been implimented.  There have been two tournaments on BrickCity.  Therefore, we're taking the top finishers and rank them in a legitimate order accordingly, so that an accurate ranking system can exist (Many can argue that this system is not necessarily based on skill; just top finishes.  That’s fine).  The first tournament will take precedence over the second meaning that the winner of the first tournament will be ranked #1 whereas the winner of the second tournament will be ranked #2 and on down the line.
    

With this new system, ranked people will battle other members giving them a chance to lose/gain ranks.  Also, monthly, we’ll post these rankings as well as wins and losses; giving members an inspiration to battle and/or improve their record and gain ranking. Therefore, ranked members cannot sit on their rank.  If someone believes that a number one ranked person is not worthy, then these people will get a chance to prove that.  However, battles will be setup realistically; twenty people can try to knock off #1.  For obvious reasons, there will be a limited number of  battles that can be requested. There is a new forum, Battle Requests, so that people that want to request a battle can post their requests.  If members do not want to battle, continue posting in the freestyle forum.   
    
These rankings will not be word of mouth or opinion; they’re based on results from past tournaments and progressing freestylers. The mindset is that this new system will get more members and administrators involved and provide motivation to post and fend for their position.

If you have been found stealing, copying, or using lyrics or copyright material from anywhere on BC or the Internet, you will be banned, your post count reset, and your record and ranks reset.

All requests, challenges, or misc. battles messages should be made here.  Request the person (names should be spelled CORRECTLY) you want to battle, and the rules.  When/if they accept, then set up the battle in the Freestyle Battle / Accepted Challanges with the:

Subject Topic Title example:

You and the person you're facing and/if rank ->

NukeDogg (6) Vs. Whitelines (7)

Message Body example:

Set the rules for the requested battle ->

Example:
15LINES MIM
35LINES MAX
7 VOTES
4-0 SKUNK
125POST
NO TEAM VOTES

Then post your freestyles ->
Then people will vote ->

All unnecessary messages in the battle forum will be warned.   Continued incompetence will result in deletion of those out of place messages.  If you notice in the battle forum, most of you post twice anyway leaving about half the messages simply message and not battles.  So all those requests come here and ONLY battles in the Battle Forum.

NEW MINIMUM... 75 posts to vote NO LOWER on EVERY battle, even if its not posted.  You may upp to 75+ if you like but the minimum is 75 posts to vote, no questions asked.

Refrain from posting battle requests in the battle forum.  Post them in this forum from now on.  Thank You.


HERE is a good example... a set up battle and an acceptance.
http://www.brickcity.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6236& PN=2

If any of your lyrics are stolen, re-used/recycled, or copyright and found on BC from anywhere on the Internet, you will be banned from Brick City, your post count will be reset, and your record and rank will be reset.

 

 
Accepted Battle Requests
-=Advanced Member Accepted Battle Requests; Formatting=-
  • Battles are requested and/or administered accordingly Battle Requests forum
  • If you set up a battle yourself, clearly label the topic you vs. opponent (e.g., nukedogg vs. cizzal) in Accepted Challenges forum
  • Specify a line perimeter (no more, no less)
  • Specify voting credentials
  • 5 Member votes (First 5)
  • Set specific rules.  I.e., 3 votes to 0 = skunk
  • Can’t vote on yourself
  • No team member votes are accepted.
  • Set the time limit

= - Battle forum rules- =
  
This is the battle forum, not a message board.  If I see any messages or “Chat room threads” they will be removed, and the person who started the thread will be warned the first time. If it continues to happen the member will be removed.  We do this because when we do rankings, we have to tally up all the battles' votes.  If the forum is flooded with posts other then votes, it takes a great deal of time to tally.
    

= - Forum Flooding/Spamming - =
  
I have said something to the members that were doing it but I will make it public now.
 
Example name è "Shezzy" responds to post written months ago, trying to build up their ranking posts.  For that reason, we have decided to cut off the ladder because it was getting ridiculous.  All the newer posts were getting bumped down because some asshole wants to build up their ranking.  This will no longer happen I know that for a fact.  If need be we will temporarily suspend the account and limit the amount of times your allowed to post daily.
   
= - Multiple fake alter egos - =
    
Okay there is no rule against that but don’t u think it’s pretty pathetic that u have to make up to 10 fake names.
  
= - Voting - =
 
Some of you people take these battles a bit to seriously and u complain, or try to persuade members to vote on you through bitching.  Starting NOW if we hear any complaints about a members calling out another member over his/her vote, they will be banned for all future battles.  This goes to everyone no matter who u are.  Legend, vet, newbie or who ever.  NEW MINIMUM... 75 posts to vote NO LOWER.  You may upp to 75+ if you like but the minimum is 75 posts to vote, no questions asked.
 
Here is a good example of how a battle should be formatted.  NO bullshit, just free's then votes. 
  
http://www.brickcity.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6357& KW=dtyree
 
= - Rankings - =
  
As of June 2, 2005, there is a new ranking system that keeps rankings up-to-date within at least 3 days (give or take).  These rankings are more acurate and more reliable than the previous rankings which were done like every 2-3 months. 
  
If administrators/moderators find that members are losing excessively and are not fit/ready for advanced forums, your post count will be reset, so that you have to battle in the newbie forums to get better.
  
If any of your lyrics are stolen, re-used/recycled, or copyright and found on BC from anywhere on the Internet, you will be banned from Brick City, your post count will be reset, and your record and rank will be reset.  This applies to every forum/post/chat within BC.

 
Team Battle Requests
-=Team Battle Requests=-
  • This is the same format as single battle except only involving teams.
  • Battles are requested and/or administered accordingly Team Battle Requests forum
  • If you set up a battle yourself, clearly label the topic your team vs. team opponent (e.g., LMC vs. DreamTeam) in Team Battles / Accepted Challenges forum
  • Specify a line perimeter (no more, no less)
  • Specify voting credentials
  • 5 Member votes (First 5)
  • Set specific rules.  I.e., 3 votes to 0 = skunk
  • Can’t vote on yourself
  • No team member votes are accepted.
  • Set the time limit
 
Accepted Team Battle Requests
-=Team Accepted Team Battle Requests - Once accepted in Team Requests=-
  • This is the same format as single battle except only involving teams.
  • Once the battle is accepted, set it up in this forum.
  • Battles are requested and/or administered accordingly Team Battle Requests forum
  • If you set up a battle yourself, clearly label the topic your team vs. team opponent (e.g., LMC vs. DreamTeam) in Team Battles / Accepted Challenges forum
  • Specify a line perimeter (no more, no less)
  • Specify voting credentials
  • 5 Member votes (First 5)
  • Set specific rules.  I.e., 3 votes to 0 = skunk
  • Can’t vote on yourself
  • No team member votes are accepted.
  • Set the time limit

 

Lyrical Audio Files
-=Lyrical Audio Files - Rules and how to upload your own:=-

If any member has audio tracks of themselves spittin’ and would like other members on our site to hear it then feel free to upload these files.
   
We'll also accept audio beats....
  
README; YOU ARE SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING RULES:
   
You are about to access Brick City’s Audio FTP network that is intended for authorized members only.  This FTP is monitored for proper use and is subject to copyright laws according to the originality of your freestyles and/or audios.
   
Use of Brick City’s Audio FTP is conditional upon the following rules:

  1. You may not attempt to use illegal, copyright, or stolen material without granted permission from the owner.
  2. You may not make unauthorized modifications to copies of any copyrighted personal music or audio for your personal use.
  3. You may not engage in any activity which: breaks any of the rules of Brick City; make personal profit or conduct personal business using this FTP or the original works within it; accesses or distributes pornographic material; or engages in criminal activity.
  4. You will use this FTP for original freestyle audio only which includes .mp3, .wav, .mp4., and midi (music files only!) to name a few.  Non-audio files will be deleted.
  5. You will not use this FTP for storage space or any kind of malicious activity.

   
Unauthorized or illegal use of Brick City’s Audio FTP will not be tolerated and could result in permanent banning from Brick City and/or criminal prosecution without the consent of legal use of the copyright material stored within this FTP. 

  

FTP Login Information – HOW TO UPLOAD YOUR OWN MUSIC FILES:

  

To upload your music using Internet Explorer or some other FTP client software, type ftp://brickcity.serveftp.net.  Login using the username: freestyle_audio and the password:  freestyle

  

You can use 'copy and paste' to copy the song from your computer and paste it in the FTP window.  Once you have successfully uploaded your songs, you can link them by creating a new thread in this forum.  The link that you should post in the thread to your newly uploaded song will consist of:  http://brickcity.serveftp.net/"thesongname"  For example, if I upload a track called areG.mp3 to the ftp, then I would create a new thread in this forum with the following link http://brickcity.serveftp.net/areG.mp3.  That's it... now you all can upload and link your own files.

  
You can now upload your own music and link it ~>
  
We suggest that you all do not use Internet Explorer for the FTP site... it is less secure, has less options, more bugs, and is really not a good idea to use it.  There are plenty of free FTP client software applications out there.  Go to http://www.download.com and search for FTP Client and download some software to use... it's much better.
 
We personally use SmartFTP... it's all free and easy to download at the following link:
  
www.smartftp.com/download
 
If you have any more problems, please post.  Thanks!

 

 
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